Water Bottles for Winter

I take a few Nalgenes to have unfrozen water in my pack while on the move but use other collapsible containers for in camp storage.

If you do not like Nalgense, you could try the German bottles 40 Below sells.

Here is the bottle Bruce mentions which fortunately is something you can buy today.

https://www.40below.com/products_detail.php?ProductID=18

Try a 32oz/1L Gatorade/Powerade bottle in your bottle jacket.  My old OR bottle jackets can fit those, so maybe your 40 Below jacket will, too.

Too much cost and weight.

We use 1.25 L fizzy drink rocket-base PET bottles, in summer and winter. They are UL (44.4 g with cap), shatter-proof, leak-proof, and cost us nothing (after we drink the fizzy mineral water). The outdoor gear companies don’t like them because they can’t sell them.

In winter the bottles travel inside my pack essentially against my back. They do not freeze there. At night the ones with water in them nestle at the foot of my quilt, on foam. They haven’t frozen there either.

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The question remains—what’s the best way to carry water or store water on a winter trip—let’s say between 0F and 10F during the day and maybe -10F at night, common winter temps AT TIMES in the mountains of NC.

My thoughts—
**  I treat severe cold as a “storm” like any other storm—windstorm, thunderstorm, rainstorm, blizzards etc.  I often hunker in during such storms, therefore during a coldstorm it pays to camp by a flowing water source, creek—Walk to creek for daily water needs—no filtering needed—bring to a boil.  No storage needed.

**  Store carried water in your cook pot over night and let it freeze solid in pot.  Melt on stove for the next meal.

**  Carried water will freeze if it’s cold enough.  Sometimes it’s good to pour boiling water into a container and carry it in wrapped in the pack.  Don’t try this in your disposable water bottles.

**  In deep cold I put what water I may have outside of my pot wrapped in my down parka and it has never frozen solid.  (Take parka off before getting into the bag.  Storing a full water bottle in your sleeping bag as you sleep is crazy.  Think about it—
You are relying on your down bag to keep you alive all night.  You are introducing the one item into the bag which could ruin your trip—Water.  Lids leak, bottles leak, caps come off, your feet and legs move around alot etc.

Hey Roger—On my last trip (an 18 day thing in the TN mountains with the pit vipers)—I took out some of your writings from your bushwalking website titled “”Shelter FAQ—Equipment—Shelter”.

We agree on almost every point.  I’ll include my review in my next trip report on TJs.  Gotta type it up and add pics etc.

The only thing I don’t like about the PET bottles (as in all soda and nearly all other beverage bottles) is that you can’t use them for boiling water or they will deform – generally they shrink as well. SInce I like to fill my 1/2 liter bottle with boiling water for tea or other hot morning beverage, and then have it do double duty as a boot warmer, this is important to me. I could do this with a polyethylene bottle, but they tend to taste like plastic to me, and they get pretty soft with boiling water in them. So I stick with a Nalgene for that one bottle. I use a PET bottle also in the snow, but that one is just for cold or warm (no boiling stuff) liquids. I also like an MSR Dromlite bag – 4 liter – so that when I do find running water near my campsite, I can do one fillup that takes me through evening and morning. If there’s no running water around, so I have to melt snow, I’ll usually do all my melting in the evening with dinner, and put some water in the bag for overnight. Shoved into my pack, or if I’m with a buddy, laid between our two sleeping bags, it usually doesn’t freeze much if at all.

@Alpinelce

One solution might be to use lightweight collapsible bottles that are convertable for hydration but have big openings and easy to fill when you are melting snow for water like the MSR Dromlite or the Nalgene Canteen.  I personally gave up on my hyrdation system for winter snow camping but carry one or two rigid Nalgene bottles, a couple of foldable 1.5 liter Nalgene Canteens, and a 4 liter Dromlite. I usually am basecamping, and at night fill all my bottles with water. The rigid one goes in my bag as a hot water bottle. The others I bury in the snow kitchen or in my vestibule so I have water for breakfast.

Those are what Bruce suggested earlier.

For very cold conditions my wife and I take 1 hard Nalgene 32 oz each to fill with hot water as a sleeping bag heater and use several Nalgene wide-mouth 1.5L flexible canteens, and when moving carry on us inside front hanging pockets in our jackets one or two 1L bladders (filled a bit less than full for a more flexible shape). Very light and lay flat against you. Bottles should work fine in inside hanging pockets too, but I think the flat shape of the 1L bladders are more comfortable.

Storing bottles upside down at night will help keep the necks from freezing.

Even though there are techniques to keep them from freezing, drinking tubes are a pain in winter even with insulated covers.

One caution that probably applies to most containers – we once melted water over a wood fire and poured that into two of the wide-mouth flexible canteens, and we’ve never been able to get the smoke taste out of those.