Durston X-Mid Pro 2 Review

Mark, you have the Neoair Allseason too? great pad

tent looks excellent too

The specs are reversed in the review.  From the Durston website, the X-Mid Pro 2 is 80″ x 100″ and the X-Mid 2 is actually 88″ x 102″.  I have the X-Mid 2 and have had no issues with different types of tie-offs.  I installed longer lines on the corners for versatility.  You can also use the peak guy-outs to help take tension off of the corners if necessary.

Sorry that description on my site is wrong. Fixing now. There are actually 16 possible stakes, not 14:
– 4 corners (essential)
– 4 midpoints of each side (optional)
– 4 stakes at doorways (2 doorways x 2 stakes ea)
– 2 side panel guyouts
– 2 peak guyouts

You wouldn’t really use 2 stakes at both doorways since you couldn’t really get in and out, so you’d probably never have 16, but you could put 2 stakes at the door on the windward side because there is a loop on both sides of the zipper.

Excellent well illustrated, detailed review. Thanks.

The only other 2P Dyneema tent I see as a close competitor is the Tarptent Stratospire. I really like the higher floor walls of the Durston X-Mid 2 P tent and the fact that it has a silnylon floor is to its advantage. I’ve already had a few tiny punctures in the Dyneema floor of my Tarptent Notch Li. I should have ordered the silnylon floor.

I think this tent, in either Dyneema or sinlylon, will sell very well. Smart design.

Where is this product made?

Dan,

I defer to you to all things TENT. However, feel free to contact me about all things Internet. I have a son who established a presence on the Internet, about 30 or so years ago. And, yes, I am referencing your much anticipated X-Mid Pro 2 Pre-Sale.  He, too, during those early days, was overwhelmed, at times. But not anymore. On the upside, it is nice to know that your Pre-Sale has been so heavily subscribed. Downside? We all love you a little less.

You would need 6, at a minimum. 4 for the corners, 2 for the apex guylines.
I think you’d also want at a minimum the 2 mid panel guyouts. So 8, really.

Considering how Dan was previously very skeptical about #3 zippers (on his review of the Locus Gear Khufu), I’m surprised to see them appearing now on the X-Mid Pro 2. Maybe you’d want to carry a stake for each door just to take some of the load off of the zipper. Zippers are one of the places where DCF deformation occurs fastest. Or at least 1 more stake for the windward door (how strong is your confidence that the wind at altitude will only blow in one direction?)

So, 9 or 10.

Of course it depends what “storm” and “handle” mean and where the tent is pitched/used. “Handle” is especially subjective. (Man, I keep wishing that there were a widely accepted testing protocol for wind resistance of lightweight shelters).

There are still 6 more stakeout points that could be used.

I wasn’t too impressed by the storm resistance of the original X-Mid design (used on exposed sites at altitude), but the design has been considerably improved in that department since then with the addition of a lot more perimeter stake / guyline points. Based on my experience with the original, I can see how the X-Mid could use them.

William: Yes we have some work to do on the internet side of things. We’ll dig into a better system in the weeks ahead.

Jon: The apex guylines are only used perhaps 10-20% of the time of the regular tents, and then the very strong/low stretch DCF makes them noticeably less necessary on the Pro. If you push on one peak, it’s quite a bit harder to move than the woven tents. We’re still including the guyout on the Pro but we’re no longer including the cord because we think >95% of people won’t use them.

So the tent is fully erect and reasonably solid with just 4 stakes, but users will commonly add stakes at the doorways so the small side doesn’t flap when the door is opened. So it is 4 stake minimum but I expect 6 will be the most common setup, and then it can take up to 16 total for added reinforcement. The regular X-Mid’s are also substantially improved over time with extra stake points (most noticeably the new side panel guyouts) and revisions to the cut of the fly that makes it quite a bit easier to get tight walls (e.g. added cat cuts).

Regarding #3 zippers – I have and do prefer #5 zippers but I wouldn’t say I’ve been ‘very skeptical’ of #3. To paraphrase my old Locus Gear review, it essentially says that ‘weight geeks will like #3 but I prefer #5 for long term durability”. My critique there should be seen in the context of what that shelter was (e.g. it’s using 30D fabrics, where I think #3 is a mis-match with those fabrics and the perceived aim of that tent as an all-purpose shelter). I still feel that #5 makes the most sense for a do-it-all tent, but virtually all seriously light tents use #3 and even a lot of do-it-all tents (e.g. Big Agnes, MSR). Tarptent uses a lot of #5 but do use #3 on their lighter models. I agree with that approach – #3 zippers are reasonable trade off when the goal is to make a superlight tent. We do provide the ability to stake both sides which can reinforce them, and the sliders are really what wears out and here they are easily swapped. Ultimately they do have lower limits, but it does save a lot of weight so we think it’s an appropriate trade off for the Pro given the goal of the tent as more bleeding edge ultralight.

Saying 95% of people won’t use apex guylines isn’t the same thing as saying that apex guylines are unnecessary.

A “superlight tent” marketed as being not “cramped, delicate and/or lacking weather protection” while offering “unprecedented stormworthyness” is vying for consideration as an “all-purpose shelter” just as much and probably more than an unoriginal rectangular mid from LG. Maybe #3 zips are just a good trade-off for any tent. Or maybe #5 zippers are a more responsible choice for a number of reasons but don’t sell as well in today’s market where consumers look at numbers and product image above all else.

These are really interesting questions. Alas, I am forced to conclude that we should be having this conversation when marketing/purchasing a new product isn’t the main context. Good luck with the sales, Dan. Enjoy your new purchase, everybody!

Cord
The stock cord is all 2.5mm normal reflective cord. The Lawson cord is something we sell separately as a premium accessory because it’s expensive and overkill for most. Where it shines is under snow loads where the sheer weight of the snow stretches out regular cord while this prevents that stretch/deflection.

Stakes
When people talk about stakes requirements they can be concerned about a lot of different things. Some are concerned about ease of pitching, others about weight, and others about stormworthyness. For someone concerned about ease of pitching, a shelter that pitches with 4 stakes and then they can add 4 more later to beef it up, is much more attractive than a shelter that collapses until it has all 8. Whereas to someone worried about weight it could all be the same.

What stakes are ‘required’ depends on some definitions (e.g. required to get it standing? fully erected? required to beef it up for the worst weather)? The most common definition of the minimum number of stakes is almost always taken to mean whatever # of stakes is needed to fully establish the shape of the tent. Thus, we say that 4 stakes are the minimum because the shelter is fully erected with 4 stakes. Virtually all gear companies use this definition, so we use it as well as it provides a simple way to compare for people that don’t want to dive into the fully detailed weight breakdown (which we also provide). We aren’t trying to be sneaky or salesy here – it’s just the common definition.

Of course with any tent there will be weather circumstances where a greater number of stakes are appropriate. Thus, certainly there are circumstances where 9 or 10 stakes are appropriate, but I wouldn’t say they are the minimum because that is now how the term is commonly used.

Zippers & All Purpose Shelters
A lot of this comes down to the priorities of the user and what trade offs they want to make. Two shelters can both be all purpose shelters but make different design choices because they are aimed at different types of users. For someone very concerned about weight, the ideal all purpose shelter could be a small/delicate/feature stripped tent because to them those trade offs are worth it. Whereas to someone less concerned about weight the ideal all purpose shelter would be something more spacious, durable and functional. So yes all of my tents could be said to be all purpose tents but they make different trade offs because they are aimed at different types of users.

The regular X-Mid tents are aimed at light to ultralight hikers that want to go as light as they can while still having a high level of space/durability/function. Then the Pro version is aimed at a different mindset of hikers who are willing to give up a bit more for weight savings. These things are a trade off so you can’t have both (e.g. the lightest tent will never be the most durable). I don’t think there is one right answer for a do-it-all tent – it all depends on what trade offs people want to make. For a lot of hikers I think #5’s are the ideal tradeoff but for the type of ultralight hiker willing to shell out hundreds extra for DCF I think #3 are probably the good trade off for them since they have lower limits and require a bit more thought during use, but the payoff is nice weight savings.

With all of this, I emphasize the importance of making trade offs consistently to achieve a coherent end product (see my philosophy page for more on this). #3 zippers can make sense when you’re also using light fabrics, weight efficient design etc, but they don’t make sense on an otherwise beefy tent.

Certainly coherence is complicated and not something that is simple to implement. That’s why I present it as a philosophical design goal. As I went into on my last post, it depends heavily on the intended use. LG and MLD may use different zippers not because they see different things in the data but rather because their shelters are aimed at different use cases.

Regarding the review, please note this is simply a ‘First Look’ review and not a full ‘Performance Review’. Perhaps that could have been stated more clearly. For years BPL has done both types, where a First Look review is just some quick first impressions after taking a bit of a look, so it wouldn’t normally go into the type of questions you raise. If BPL does a full performance review it would dive more into that.

Also please note these seams are both bonded and additionally taped. We explain this in the FAQ on our product page. I agree with Ron this is important and have been a big advocate for this in the forums. I agree less that the service life of 0.7oz DCF is meaningfully longer but that is a long discussion.

A big part of zippers wearing out is corners. There’s way more wear on a slider as it goes around a corner, versus on a straight run. The X-Mid Pro fly should fair quite a bit better since the zipper does not have corners, and it is a fairly short run (again less wear), and it is easy to swap the sliders since they can be released at the bottom edge. But of course the inner zippers are still #3 with corners similar to your Stratospire. Most light tents are #3 on the fly and near 100% #3 on tent inners because there tends to be less stress yet a lot of zipper on an inner so it is a substantial weight difference (about 2oz on an inner). For some use cases #5 or #8 could be better (deserts are very hard on zippers), but for most people it seems like #3 is preferred trade off and then maybe the sliders do need to be replaced eventually.