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Aug 19, 2022 at 9:00 am #3757636
Companion forum thread to: Walking With Marcus: How Stoic Philosophy Informs My Ultralight Backpacking
Can an ancient Roman philosophy make you a better backpacker? It all depends upon your application.
Aug 19, 2022 at 10:29 am #3757642The last of the 5 Good Emperors, Aurelius led the Empire at the twilight of the Pax Romana. Pressures from all sides were multiplying and closing in fast.
However before rejoicing too much about the accomplishments of Rome you have to keep in mind that martial prowess is what fueled the Empire. The point of a sword is what brought such unimaginable fortune. Not to say the Romans weren’t supreme engineers, administrators and soldiers, but at the end of the day it was ruthless, state sponsored violence which brought home the goods. There were of course benefits to living under Rome, as long as you submitted, but if you didn’t you could be crucified at the drop of a hat. This is the same culture that relished watching people hacking each other to death and animals ripping each other apart in the arena for entertainment. Aurelius might have been one of the more enlightened emperors, but he was still the leader of a ruthless war machine. But then again philosophy has always helped conquerors rationalize their actions.
The Greeks were far better philosophers, artists and writers. Romans just tried to imitate them as best they could. Also the Romans were far more superstitious than most people today realize. I do however like the way stoicism promotes the idea that you can be destroyed by letting your emotions rule you, and I embrace the notion of being content with where you are in life compared to others at any given time. It provides peace of mind and diminishes anxiety, which I find is so very essential for a good backpacking trip to go off well.
Thanks for the article Andrew, philosophy is something which isn’t covered enough here on BPL. It all just seems to be gear dominated.
Aug 21, 2022 at 5:04 am #3757771When Covid hit and the gym closed, I did pull ups on the very HOT metal bars on the nearby playground that became the very COLD metal bars as it drug on through the Winter. One legged hops up the YMCAÂ stairs in the Southern Summer (very often 90+F/90%+ humidity) became a welcomed way to (literally) WARM UP in the Fall. Since then, just walking over to the the gym at 4:45am sharp seems pretty EASY!
Aug 21, 2022 at 10:25 am #3757777Nice article, Andrew. Thoughtful and thought-provoking.
I don’t know much about Stoicism, but what I have heard is attractive and far different from my original association to simply putting up with hardship and not feeling. For example, I have heard memento mori (remember I will die; life is temporary) paired with memento vivere (remember to live). This points me to living this moment as fully as possible. This is often with me when backpacking. It opens the door to more awe, fascination, enjoyment, and gratitude of being deep in the natural world.
As another example, the phrase It is what it is goes along with Stoicism (so I’ve heard). This helps me disengage from whatever story I’m telling myself (stories which often lead to grumbling, blaming, self-criticism, etc and more internal stories). In this way, I can still have my feelings without adding another layer on top. To me, it syncs well with what you wrote about present-centeredness in your mindfulness piece. This view of Stoicism reminds me to let go of the layers of my associations, concepts, and words to more intimacy and direct contact with the world. This may be the last time I get to be in this place, so I’m going to take in as deeply as I can and enjoy it.
…Now, time for me to take a walk.
Aug 21, 2022 at 10:51 am #3757779It seems like Stoicism has a lot in common with Buddhism.
Which would make sense, because both are based on human nature which is the same in Italy as in China
Aug 21, 2022 at 12:32 pm #3757789I would love to see more on the intersection of philosophy/religion with the outdoors here; it’s what I miss about many of the Chaff conversations of old.
Memento mori is a concept that exists across numerous religions and philosophies. I have found it fundamental to living a good life, not just in the outdoors. Many Buddhist traditions meditate upon it daily (“The Five Remembrances”). I do.
I was once on a backpacking trip on which a friend characterized the 20+ trail miles we had to do that day as a “death march” and he was genuinely unenthusiastic about the day. I didn’t say it aloud, but I found this attitude quite sad. We choose to do these things, we should be reveling in the challenges not lamenting our choices. In my mind, even the hardest of days are “life marches”; one day my physical body will come to an end and I will no doubt cherish the memory of doing hard things while my body allowed it, including the discomfort. Unfortunately, for many it takes a brush with death or illness to understand that their health has been taken for granted…and that life- mosquito bites, aching muscles, and all…is precious. I’ve had my share of dark days spent in a hospital bed wondering if I would hike in the wilderness again; henceforth I’ll only celebrate the “discomforts” of backpacking, placing them in their proper context.
Aug 21, 2022 at 1:24 pm #3757798Yes, a lovely article well-laced with experience, wisdom and 21st C. humor, both actually, Andrew. Intertwining the Dharma (in the 1st part) and Stoics here helps those suspicious of -isms (Buddh, Stoic) to see shared value in ancient traditions. Which often have a depth of knowledge lost to ’empirical’ science and technology. Of course, while Stoics relied on thought exercises to more sanely, responsibly and productively suffer, the Dharma has unparalleled understanding and numerous practical, non-conceptual Ways that lead beyond suffering altogether.
Aug 22, 2022 at 11:11 am #3757842Really enjoyed this piece, Andrew. So many concepts to ponder and examine, which offer an opportunity to get even more spiritual/intellectual richness out of backpacking.
Aug 22, 2022 at 1:15 pm #3757847“Memento Mori”.
I remember Maurie. Nice guy. Too bad he died so young. Oh well, I try not to think about that.
(I’m always glad to contribute. Now the adults can carry on.)
Aug 22, 2022 at 5:23 pm #3757877I’m really happy this is resonating with folks. Thank you all for your kind words!
Aug 28, 2022 at 6:38 pm #3758823For those yearning to learn and experience stoicism, I suggest joining the military and volunteering for outfits like Special Forces, Seals, PJs, Rangers, etc. You won’t get much Latin, but you’ll have plenty of opportunities to experience/practice stoicism!
May 17, 2023 at 6:57 am #3781298I can appreciate how stoic philosophy with its values of wisdom, self-restraint, tolerance and courage helps in backpacking, however I find nihilism and absurdism puts me in a better mindset for multi-day hikes. That way I can just take in nature the way it is without looking for any “meaning” in life.
And when you turn on the news existentialist ideas seem to be more attractive all the time.
May 17, 2023 at 1:15 pm #3781306” I find nihilism and absurdism puts me in a better mindset for multi-day hikes. That way I can just take in nature the way it is without looking for any “meaning” in life.”
That just goes to show once more how different we all are. When out backpacking I’m always struck by the high degree of order in everything. I inevitable become more calm and sane as the days proceed. the opposite of nihilism and absurdism. That IS the meaning: life in tune with the environment brings me closer to true sanity. I try to learn from that.
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