Backpacking Pyromania

Nice vid.  Fire making is a perishable skill, you need to practice the skill, even if you are not a fire person.   As a lightweight backpacker,  fire making  allows you to carry less.  You can and rely on the fire making skill to supplement your kit for low temp corner cases.

Zachary, Nice video.  I personally would not want to use one of my folding knives to baton wood. There seemed to be a lot of flammable material close to the fires in your inset videos.

But I have to agree with Paul, in reference to the Sierra Nevada, I have come across too many fires left burning (or not put out successfully) to continue to embracine the making of campfires in the Sierra backcountry.

I do whole -heartily endorse everyone learning how to make a survival fire, and practicing in their backyards, or local parks, or while snow camping in winter.

You can use your red headlamp lights to pretend you have a campfire! Telling stories by the glow of the headlamp.

I never make a fire when backpacking, only when car camping or boating on a river. There just isn’t enough water most places to be able to put it out completely where I go. If it does get out of control, how do you summon help without cell service and off roads? How fast can help get there? And on tundra, no way; that burn scar will be there for a decade.

I’m curious where you go backpacking that a fire is needed/safe/legal? I live in Alaska and backpack here and in the West, places where wildfires are so damaging that having a fire without access to plenty of water to extinguish just isn’t very responsible.

I’m always amazed by people wanting a campfire in midsummer, anyway. It’s too warm! During the shoulder months or the winter, I get it, for both warmth and cooking. Or for an emergency where you need to warm someone up you might have to build a fire, although a change of clothes and warm sleeping bag might be quicker and more effective. I enjoy fires, but we heat our home with wood all winter, so there isn’t much romance in building one. (My husband is cutting firewood as I write; crap ton of work.) You say it’s one of the things you like best about backpacking, two things I don’t even connect together. I’m also a lightweight backpacker; I don’t want to carry hatches and saws backpacking.

As far as fire- building tools, we used to make our own fire starter with denim and wax, “waxy cloth.” Stuff around the house. And pulling apart an old stump will often give you enough dry wood to get something going; no tools necessary. We also have birch bark and old man’s beard lichen, great for quick starts. There might be regional equivalents elsewhere.

It would be good if you update your video at some point to talk about safety. Where you should/shouldn’t build a fire, how to ensure that it is 100% out, the LNT goal of not leaving new fire rings on unspoiled land, etc. What tools are in your pack to extinguish the fire? Do you have a shovel, good boots to stamp it out, something to put gallons of water into to have on hand? How big should you make your fire? etc. Most people don’t have a clue and really should learn from someone first-hand. Here are some safety tips from CalFire; this video is part of their permit system.

I find being outdoors entertaining on its own. I need a fire like I need a tv. Not legal in many places, it isn’t a lightweight option when you still need a stove if you’re going to cook and be legal. If carrying fire supply for emergency use, you should be better prepared.

Most of my backpacking is in Pennsylvania in the shoulder seasons and we often have a small fire in the already-established fire ring.  As I become less young, I found that I particularly enjoy a really good meal the first night we’re out:

The blanched green beans with roasted pine nuts is in another foil pack…

A couple of caveats:

• In PA, almost all established campsites are next to streams, so having unlimited water nearby is easy.  The sound of running water also tends to drown out any snoring – another bonus.  The downside (or another upside depending on your point of view) is that you don’t hear critters walking around your campsite until they are very close.
• Before we retire for the night we dump several liters of water on the fire ring and stir it up to make sure it’s out, adding more water if necessary (there’s usually not much left in the ring when we call it an evening).
• In the morning we do a hand check looking for warm spots in the fire ring, again stirring things up and checking again.

We’re not building these for warmth so it can be a small fire.  Smaller stuff also makes it much easier to cook on the Vargo Ti Grill shown in the photo above.  We just like the ambiance of a small fire at the end of the day as we sit around enjoying our dinner and post-meal adult beverages.

Fire gear?  I carry a small folding saw (thanks Jan Rezac) for trail maintenance anyway, but we rarely use it for prepping firewood.  We’re mostly burning 1-2″ diameter stuff that breaks easily and burns down to coals quickly so we can get those steaks on…

In early spring when I hike solo and it gets dark early. I do enjoy having a small fire in an established ring. Tending it gives me something to do and the flames are somewhat hypnotic. It’s calming and meditative watching a fire go through its phases. And warming! Otherwise, I’ve come to dislike the smoke chasing me around. Also, since there aren’t many hikers around early season, a fire signals my location to bears for miles around. Not that that’s ever been a problem.

Those steaks and potatoes look great Kevin! However, as I become less young, I can’t imagine carrying those backpacking. Maybe I need younger companions willing to heft those out into the boonies.

I can’t help thinking that David Thomas is on to something with his fire contained inside a chimney. Are small twig stoves or folding grills a reasonable compromise? Allows a real fire, big enough to cook, but small enough to douse with a water bottle. Place it on a rock or in an established fire ring or pack a square of welder’s blanket to protect the ground.

Obviously don’t do it where and when it isn’t safe.

“Are small twig stoves or folding grills a reasonable compromise? Allows a real fire, big enough to cook, but small enough to douse with a water bottle. Place it on a rock or in an established fire ring”

Yes, very much so. Twig stoves are fast and efficient, burning very little fuel for heating water. They really don’t leave a lasting effect on the landscape, just some very fine, white ash that disintegrates. Still the fires give off noxious fumes and soot. There are some areas we go that require a fire pan. Yes it should be placed on a rock or several rocks up above the ground or that ground can be singed very deeply. Cedar Mesa did require a pan. Grand Canyon does I believe. Rules change year to year so check first. The National Parks we frequent don’t allow any wood fires at all. In the other vast wilderness areas fires are allowed here but often not as fire bans are more and more in effect. I’ve only seen one time when lp and lpg stoves and people too were also banned for a period during Stage 3 fire bans. It’s the southwest and wildfires have always been an issue but in recent decades they have become worse.
Craig Childs uses a small fire pan and tiny twig fires.

On maybe my first backpacking trip I took along a sealed meal that was meant to be boiled in water to cook. It included steak and gravy and potatoes. After cooking I popped the seal and the wonderful aroma of meat wafted up. 20 seconds later a bear emerged from the woods and made a bee line for me. A very large bear. I was camped with others and managed to ward her off.

I’ve always thought that one of the advantages of freeze dried meals is the limited odor they put out. Add water and cover. No open flames and smoke filled with the scent of beef slowly cooking over time.

Of course, I’d love to have one of Kevin’s meals if I were there, and guess they’re a highlight his friends all recall.

David yes good info. Mojave Preserve and other places are like that too. Any wood for firewood must be brought in. The web of life needs the natural wood sources. Joshua Tree doesn’t allow fires at all and the natural dead wood here and there looks like beautiful sculptures.

Long ago, an aluminum Kelly Kettle was designed by bpl light member? Who was it? Very efficient water boiler and with a pot support on top you can cook on it. How easy we forget :)